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« on: January 16, 2008, 12:44:38 AM »

This topic is in companion to this blog posting:

http://alansmoneyblog.com/2007/10/23/scam-warning-forexgencom-stay-away-from-this-forex-broker/

In this posting Rob Grespi brings forth evidence as to why he believes Forexgen stole a members funds by manipulating the price on the EUR/USD pair.

Anyways, I'm interested in hearing some discussion. Hopefully some semblance of truth will come out.

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« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2008, 10:16:40 PM »

Let's Start our discussion
Rules:
1) No For Escape
2) Escape means loss
3) No Spamming
4) No For Lies
5) Don't block any participation from other members
6) Let's do it with honer
7) Don't ban me or any member else
Cool Don't change the way & direction of the conversation
9) That's what I want to say
Thanks + Regards
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« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2008, 10:22:41 PM »

Well
I have posted
But no sound to anyone here
Are you there?
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« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2008, 03:37:16 AM »

Hi alessandro. This forum is quite fresh so that explains the "silence". And also do not worry I will not ban you as long as you don't become overly rude or start insulting other members. You are given a chance to stand up for Forexgen and to speak your mind. I hope we get a healthy debate going here and eventually the truth will be flushed out.

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« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2008, 11:48:26 AM »

Dear Alan
            Thanks For Starting the discussion with me in honer
I'm not the one who insult the others or make scams or spams because it's not a job & I'm not a gangster

You Said before the forexgen is scam & Felix said that 100s of times
You & Felix said before that many other brokers are also scams but I will not talk about others
Let's talk about forexgen, Did you have any prove for that?
I have prove for the following:
1) ForexGen is legit & great broker
2) Other brokers are also legit & great brokers
But I want to ask what about you & felix?
you are judging about others but the others don't judge about you so, who can judge now?
Let this discussion as court & I hope all people see that

What is the last time do you visited ForexGen?
Do you know the latest offers?
Do you tried demo account there?
Do you dealt with them before?
Do you know who is Rashid?
Do you know the history of Felix?
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Could you answer these questions & then I will answer them after your post & every word will be posted with a prove & manual prove (tangible prove) without any links to external website
We are talking between me & you
Thanks + Regards + Respect
Alessandro Mateu 
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« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2008, 04:28:08 AM »

Dear Alan
            Thanks For Starting the discussion with me in honer
I'm not the one who insult the others or make scams or spams because it's not a job & I'm not a gangster

You Said before the forexgen is scam & Felix said that 100s of times
You & Felix said before that many other brokers are also scams but I will not talk about others
Let's talk about forexgen, Did you have any prove for that?
I have prove for the following:
1) ForexGen is legit & great broker
2) Other brokers are also legit & great brokers
But I want to ask what about you & felix?
you are judging about others but the others don't judge about you so, who can judge now?
Let this discussion as court & I hope all people see that

What is the last time do you visited ForexGen?
Do you know the latest offers?
Do you tried demo account there?
Do you dealt with them before?
Do you know who is Rashid?
Do you know the history of Felix?
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Could you answer these questions & then I will answer them after your post & every word will be posted with a prove & manual prove (tangible prove) without any links to external website
We are talking between me & you
Thanks + Regards + Respect
Alessandro Mateu 

I have no business with Forexgen nor have I ever been a client of theirs. I wonder if you can provide with some proof that Rashid has just manufactured this and is out to ruin your company's reputation.

Has the guy received his $160,000?

Check out this thread if you wish to complain directly to Felix and Rob Grespi:

http://www.forexpeacearmy.com/forex-forum/scam-alerts-folder/441-forexgen-com-scam-alert-broker-stole-over-160k-our-trader-2.html
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« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2008, 01:55:02 PM »

Why you don't have your business with forexgen?
Are you afraid?
Afraid from Rashid or ForexGen or From Luck?
Rashid State:
Who told you that the amount was $160.000.00? Smiley It's not by words it's by prove
Rashid in a day told me that the price of the USD will rise (I think in October)
Then while I was exploring news I found that Petroleum price raised & I tried to contact Rashid to say that it's dangerous now to buy or sell but I don't reached him
Then The next week I found that Rashid has opened about 25 position in that time & scalping in his accounts (Rashid opened in ForexGen More than  2 accounts) but as you know Technical without fundamental you will lose
& That what happened & Rashid told me that ForexGen settled him everything the last time.
Rashid has the same case with: FXCM, Onda & many other brokers
I know all the cases but I can't publish them all here as you know there something called privacy
& I'm not Rashid to say that but I invited him to this forum & I wish to say what I said again with his voice & his keyboard in this Forum.
This link:
http://www.forexpeacearmy.com/forex-forum/scam-alerts-folder/441-forexgen-com-scam-alert-broker-stole-over-160k-our-trader-2.html   
I think all the chats there made by Jolia
But I want to say that I'm dealing with them from 11 months ago & I don't chatted with this girl before or with jolia
So, It's clear now that this link has something called fabrication in conversation
From My Experience if there is an evidence it should be photos not words
Something else:
could you review other brokers in www.forexpeacearmy.com?
Why the excellent brokers has scam? why? why?
forexpeacearmy is not association if it will be in this way

Your comment is appreciated
Thanks + Regards + Good Luck
Alessandro
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« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2008, 04:06:05 AM »

Well Alessandro I don't have my business with forexgen because I am happy with my current broker so far. I don't go switching brokers for no reason. If my present brokers gives a motive to move then I will, but for now I'll stick with what I use.

As for the evidence, yes, a screenshot of his account or something similar would definitely be more credible. But as it stand it's basically forexgen's word against Felix and Rob Grespi.

These two guys have a lot of clout in the retail forex trading community and many people will more easily take their word than yours or some upstard forex company - forexgen.

Welcome to the war of words my friend.

Cheers.
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« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2008, 09:25:05 PM »

As you said you are dealing with another brokers & you are ready comfortable with this brokers that provide you with all services that you want in dealing

For me the same ForexGen Provide me with the following:
1) 24/7 support with all it's types
2) Unlimited offers
3) Daily News + Education For Trading Strategies
4) How to be expert advisors
5) Full Academy in the website
6) Instantly withdrawal or deposite
7) Meta Trader 4
Cool Customized Indicators
9) Each month there is a bonus on my profit
10) Each market survey I do I take bonus

So I'm so comfortable in my premium account with forexgen with only 1 pip spread 
So?
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« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2008, 10:29:50 AM »

lol..so nothing..everyone is entitled to their own opinion and preferences...however I'm interested in hearing some more positive reviews of ForexGen..anyone?? surely you can't be the only happy customer...
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« Reply #10 on: January 21, 2008, 12:13:08 PM »

So?
lol
You Said now each one deal & see
But till now you didn't accept that forexgen is legit
& this conversation based on that
So does you last post means that forexgen is legit?
I hope you understand ForexGen & the future with ForexGen
Please before posting open the website & chat with one of it's representatives
OR open demo account & if you faced any problem go with live chat & ask for the maintenance & see how you will be satisfied.
I'm not saying that for something to achieve it
But I'm saying that to tell you let's post the final post
& my relation with you will not stop in that forum & if you want my mail to contact me in an easy way it will be better
Thanks + Regards + Appreciation + Nice Day
Alessandro Mateu
     
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« Reply #11 on: January 21, 2008, 03:20:31 PM »

I see that Alessandro has decided to expand his advertising beyond the Forex Peace Army.

Alessandro, why don't you address some of the questions brought up in the scam thread?  What happened to Rashid's money?  What about other accounts where withdrawals were not permitted?  What about the fake contact info that ForexGen provided?

Explain how all of the problems have been completely resolved and perhaps more people would consider opening an account with your company.  Continue to ignore these questions while posting ads about how great your company is and all you do is further damage your company's reputation.

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« Reply #12 on: January 21, 2008, 06:34:43 PM »

I don't care about if clients going to open an account or not it's not my business
But my business there is that not to lose my money because I'm not a baby who can lose & gain
I'm in forex Market to gain
Something else who told you about the fake contacts of forexgen that's the first time to hear that from you
I don't know about something fake there
But I'm sure that there is no fake thing in forexgen
Than Rashid took all his money
There is no pending withdrawal in ForexGen because it takes only 2 days to withdraw through wire & Instantly through e-gold as usual with me in my transactions

To be in the picture:
This conversation for judging not for telling stories
The one who can tell you a story the ownew or the author of the story
it's not me & it's not you
But It's ForexGen
Don't worry if you are professional Trader but worry if you are still learning but trading
Do u gt something ?

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« Reply #13 on: January 22, 2008, 12:31:49 AM »


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I don't care about if clients going to open an account or not it's not my business

But it literally is your business.  You are an IB for ForexGen.  You admitted it on the Forex Peace Army forums.

That's why you are promoting (spamming) them all over the internet, even on non-financial websites.  You obviously care if clients open an account.  You claim to have thousands of clients that you introduced to ForexGen.  Thus, claiming that you don't care if someone opens an account with them is an obvious lie.  What microscopic amount of credibility you had with me is eroding rapidly.

I care because I joined the FPA to help try to avoid falling into scams.  Thus, warning others to look at complaints and consider them before opening an account is important to me.

BTW - My current primary trading account is with a broker that has quite a few scam reviews on FPA's site.  I read all the info, considered carefully, and chose them to start trading with.  I will note that refusal to transfer money back to the account holder was not one of the complaints against my bucketshop of a broker.

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Something else who told you about the fake contacts of forexgen that's the first time to hear that from you

Read the scam thread on Forex Peace Army.  They list the fake phone numbers as well as the fake address in Virginia.

There's also another report from a guy who didn't even trade and couldn't get his money out of ForexGen.  Yes, it is possible that this is false, but I'm going to need a lot more proof that the shear volume of posts you can place around the web to convince me that ForexGen is legit.


OK, let's try something that isn't even from the FPA.  Let's look at ForexGen's website and read the Terms of Service.

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ForexGen preserves the right to cancel any transactions found to be erroneous because of the market volatility, failure in the software or hardware of the trading platform or the connected parties. This cancellation is done without consulting with the Customer. The Customer hereby agrees on accepting the consequences of such cancellation either on, or against his favor.

This means they can at any time retroactively remove profitable trades from an account and blame it on "market volatility"

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ForexGen Preserves the right to ban any Customer from its trading platform, suspend any accounts temporarily or permanent at any circumstances where the account was suspected to perform one or more of the following forbidden activities:

- Illegal pip hunting.

I thought pip hunting was the point of forex trading.  Perhaps I also need a state hunting license and have a legal limit on how many pips I can bag during pip season?

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- Illegal scalping.

As opposed to when it's done by a registered member of a Native American tribe?  Grin

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- Multi IP login at the same time.
- Suspicious hedging of the same currency.

Please send a police car right away!  There are some hooligans out on the street corner doing some suspicious hedging!
 police

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- Harmful strategies.

Harmful to ForexGen's profits, perhaps???

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- Expert Advisor that are not approved by ForexGen.

Now that's a new one on me, and I've read some pretty harsh TOS agreements before.  Since when do I need my broker's approval to run an EA?

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- Security threatening activities.
- Any other hostile activities that threatens ForexGen, its customers, business partners and counter parties.

Yep!  Anything that might harm ForexGen's profits is against the rules.  Me posting here might harm Alessandro's attempts to get more customers to join ForexGen, so if I opened an account, I'd already be subject to immediate suspension.

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ForexGen risk management office has the right to estimate the risk scope and calculate the remaining funds to be paid out to the Customer after suspension. ForexGen has the sole right to cover its losses caused by the over mentioned activities prior to the suspension.

So, a client dares to hunt for pips, uses his own EA, or does anything else that makes a profit, and ForexGen can lock down the account and can take out as much money to cover its losses as it sees fit.

That looks an awful lot like a license to steal from winning traders to me.
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« Reply #14 on: January 22, 2008, 05:15:59 AM »

looooooool....oh boy..Thanks Pharaoh for the good laugh..that was hilarious...Smiley
Say, where can I get me one of those pip hunting licenses as I wanna hunt me some of those rascally pips..


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